215 Career Planning Sydeman Lecture slides.pdf

Environmental Science and Sustainability, 1e Daniel Sherman

1. PSY215Fall 2023
•Topics we will cover over
next ~2 class meetings
Louiesays:
“COVID-19
SUCKS”

2. PSY215Fall 2023
Week 1 lecture
•1. Brief syllabus review
•2. Analogy: health care
•3. Mental health professionals
WITHIN psychology
OUTSIDE/other than psychology
•4. How to apply to grad school
•5. How to get a good job after NAU
(super brief—like NOW!)
•https://in.nau.edu/career/
Louiesays:
“COVID-19
SUCKS”

3. PSY215Spring2020
Willthisbeonthe
exam?YES

4. PSY215Spring2020
This gets a bit complex.
Let’s start with a hypothetical
and analogy…

5. Thisgetsabitcomplex,so…Imagine
•YouwenttotheERandhadtohave a
smallsurgerythat required admission
and 2 days inpatient in the hospital
•Over the two days, who would you
see (see you)?
•That is, thevarioustypesof
medical/healthprofessionalsand/or staff
wouldhavecontactwith?
•…1. Obviously,the surgeon!
•…..

6. Thisgetsabitcomplex
•Youmightseeanyofthesemedicalor
alliedhealthprofessionals:
•Physicians
(M.D.)(“top dogs”)
•Surgeon, hospitalist, anesthesiologist
•Physician’sAssistant(P.A.)
•Nurse(R.N.).
•(NursePractitioner(N.P.))
•Pharmacist
•PhysicalorRespiratoryTherapists

7. AND.. Staff/others who are not
healthcare “professionals”
•MedicalandAlliedHealth para- professionals
•PCT(Nurse’saide):Patientcare technician
•Registration
•Dietary(meals)
•MRITechnician/other techs
•Phlebotomist(blooddraws)
•Environmental (cleaning)
•Transportation

8. So that’s healthcare/medicine
•Similarly,theremany types of mental
healthprofessionals:
Some are psychologists, but others are
inpsychologymental health
professions OUTSIDEofpsychology
-FURTHER, there mentalhealth
workers who are"para-professionals”
and staff
•Let’s take the tour!

9. Definepsychology!?
Psychology is…
GENERALLY, to call yourself a
psychologist, one MUST have completed
the doctoral degree (Ph.D. or Psy.D.)

10. Definepsychology:
•Thestudyofbehaviorand
mental processes

11. Psychology:withPh.D.
•There are MANY types of
psychologists (explain)
•BUT ONLY three (3) types of psychologists
who are trainedto do/doapplied
mental
healthwork:
•1.Clinicalpsychologist(Ph.D./Psy.D.)
•2.Counselingpsychologist(Ph.D./Psy.D. )
•3.Schoolpsychologist
•(Master’sdegreeorPh.D.)

12. ClinicalPsychologists and
CounselingPsychologists
• VERY similar training, SAME work
settings, SAME jobduties
•--Privatepractice,general hospitals,VAhospitals
--Work:psychologicalassessment,
psychotherapy(= mentalhealthcounseling)

13. AreClinical andCounseling
Psychologists Alike or Different?
WiththePh.D.or Psy.D., alike, or
different?
Takehomemessage:
**Theyaremostlyalmost exactly alike!
Botharelicensedbythestateas
“LicensedPsychologist”

14. Worksettings/jobduties:
3)SchoolPsychologists(MA or Ph.D.)
-Typicallyworkinpublicschoolsystems
-Jobduty:Psychoeducationalassessment/
evaluation
(NOT psychotherapy/mental health counseling)

15. •Routesand Timeline for
graduate or
professionaleducation
to become a clinical
or counseling
psychology
•~ Same for PT or OT,
btw!)

16. Routesandtimelines:Highways
1)Theinterstatesuperhighway:
•BA/BSstraighttoPh.D.
program(MA/Ph.D.allinthe
sameprogram~5years)
•2)
Thestatehighway
•A)BA/BS->toterminalMA
program(2years).
THENB)GotoaPh.D.program
(4years)=
~6yearstotal

17. •Movingonfrompsychology
toothermentalhealth
professionalsthatareoutside
oftheacademicdisciplineof
psychology

18. I.MedicalMentalHealthProfessionals
•1.Psychiatrists(M.D.):4yearsMedicalSchool
•+4yearsresidency=8yearstotal
•Work:Prescribepsychotropicmedications
•DONOTDOtherapy/mentalhealthcounseling
•2.PsychiatricNurses
•NursingSchool
•Workininpatientpsychiatricunits
•Nursingworkbutontheunit
(doNOTdopsychotherapy)

19. II.ThereareFIVEMaster’slevelMentalHealth
Professionals:(2–2½yearsofschool)
•1)MAinCMHC: ClinicalMental
HealthCounselor
•NUMEROUSprogramsaroundthecountry
•HousedinCollegeofEducation
•Work:psychotherapy/mental health counseling
•2)MAinCFT/MFT:MAin
Couples/MarriageandFamilyTherapy
•(rarerdegree)
•Work:family or couples therapy

20. II.FiveMaster’slevel
•3)MSW:Master’sinPsychiatric(clinical)
SocialWorker
•(*withBSW,MSWtakesjust1moreyear!!!!)
•Work:psychotherapy /MH counseling
•4)MAinAppliedBehaviorAnalysis
•Work:ABAtherapy(severementalillness,
autism/mentalretardation)
•5)MAinSchoolCounseling
•Short-term mental health
counseling/therapy
•ALLoftheseDOpsychotherapy/counseling

21. Whichisthebestdegree?None
Itislikeaskingwhichisthe
bestmedicalprofessional:
Doctor,PA,nurse,OT,PT,Pharmacist,etc.
Dependsonyourgoals,time
youarewillingtospendin
schooland (vs.) income, etc.

22. Sodon’tletthesewordstripyouup
Allofthesementalhealth
professionalsconduct
Psychotherapy/mentalhealth
counseling****
(exceptpsychiatristsand
psychiatricnursesandschool
psychologists)

23. FINALLY:WiththeBA/BSinPsychology
butnograduateschooleducation
Canyouworkinmentalhealth?
YES,butyouareconsideredamental health
para
-professional.
PsychiatricTech*(psych. inpatient/hospital)
Casemanager*
(priorcommunityexperienceneeded)
*Valuable:BUTthepayscaleislower

24. Anyquestionsonthemental
healthprofessionsso far?
ShiftGears:Preparingforand
ApplyingtoGraduateSchool
inmentalhealthprofessions

25. Whattodoto preparefor
graduateschool
-Thislecturealsomapsonwellforall
Ph.D.programs,master’sprograms
inotherdisciplines,PT,OT,and what I
will discuss about master’s level
programs is similar for master’s in
speech pathology, etc.
(…factorsaredescribedinorderof importance)

26. THE#1mostimportantfactor:GPA
FourtypesofMaster’s-levelPrograms
•MentalHealthCounseling/ MFT/ MSW/ABA
•>3.0overall GPA to be
competitive

27. THE#1mostimportantfactor:GPA
Ph.D.programsGuidelines
•ClinicalPsych. Ph.D.>3.7
•CounselingandSchool
Psychology Ph.D.orotherareasof
psychology:(>~3.5)
•Orother
majors on
campus

28. #2ChoiceofMajor
ForPsychology
doctoralprograms
Psychological
Sciencesmajoris
required
For
master’s programs
(MACounseling,MSW,
MFT,ABA, MSW programs
•Psych.Majorhelpful
butnotrequired

29. #3UndergradLabResearch (PSY485)
•Workinginafacultylab
•485*
•APPLYforPSY485online:
Competitiveprocess
Importance
bytypeof
program….

30. #3UndergradLabResearch (PSY485)
Importancebytypeofprogram:
•Ph.D.programs:485iscritical/required
•Oy, what is a Psy.D. Time out, let’s explain that
•Psy.D.: 485 VERY important but not required
•MAprograms:CounselingMA,MFT,MSW,ABA
programs
•485(though not requiredat ALL, but
looks good!)

31. #4APPLIEDWork/Volunteer
Communityexperience/involvement:
|
Helpyourcommunity!
•A) Fieldwork/internship:
•PSY408CFieldwork(forPsych.Majors)
•OR
•B)volunteerorworkincommunitysetting
•GuidanceCenter,DVShelter, HozhoniFoundation*
•BlueKey/Kayettes**/Student PhilanthropyCouncil
•[email protected]
[email protected]
•Ph.D.:ModeratelyImportant
•Master’sprograms:EXTREMELYIMPORTANT

32. #5Letters of Recommendation
•5.Lettersofrecommendations(3)
•*Fromacademicprofessors/instructors
• [[SO… youneedtobeactiveinclass!]]
•Askatleasttwomonthsbeforefirstletteris
dueforaSTRONG/GOOD letter
•Askrefereewhatmaterialstheywillneedfrom
you(CV,Prof.Statement,Transcripts,program
list,etc.)
•*Whattodoifyouaretakingtimeoff(gap)?

33. #6GRE:
Graduate
RecordExam
•SimilartotheSAT
orACT
•Guidelines
•Ph.D. programs*
V+Q:
~ > 310
•Master'sprograms
V+Q:~>300
•*COVID- 19impact

34. 6 GRE
2c.ShouldIprepareforGRE?YESYESYES
•If possible…
•Suggestedpreptime:8-12weeks
•Severalhoursperweekforseveral weeks
•NAUdoeshave GREclassesoffered on campus
•(costs$550.)(GRE,GMAT,LAST)
•https://nau.edu/SSI/Academic-Success- Centers/Test-Prep/
•Otherwise,buyself-pacedprep
books (Kaplan,Princetonetc.:
$35.)

35. #7CV/Professional/Statement
•Whenitcomes time for applications:
mostprogramsrequire:
•7A.CV(academicresume)
•7B.ProfessionalStatement
•Use Facultymentor/Insider’sGuidefor
helpincreatingstrongCVandstatement

36. #8-9
•8.StudentMemberships/Clubs:
•A)JoinPsiChi/PsychologyClub;
•B)becomeAPAstudentmember(orAPA
division(s),CACREP(CMHC),SocialWork
club,etc.
•9.Seekfaculty mentorshipfor
helpinapplicationprocess
•DONOTGOITALONE

37. ImportantResources:Usethem!
•10.Insider’sGuidetoGraduate
ProgramsinClinicalandCounseling
Psychology(Norcross)
AND/OR
annualGraduateStudyinPsychology(APA,2020)

38. FinishingUp
ForthoseofyouguyswithNO
interestingraduate/professionalschool:
•Dr.Sydemansuggestsasstronglyas
possible:
•UseNAUCareerDevelopmentforhelp
gettinginternships/jobs!
https://in.nau.edu/career/
•Withbachelor’sin Psychology, you can obtain work
asaPsychiatricTechnicianorCaseManager

39. FinishingUp
Sample Exam Questions

40. FinishingUp
Whattypesofquestionsmightbeon
exam#1?Ifmultiplechoice:
•Whatisthe minimum
competitive GPA
whenapplyingtoclinicalpsychology
Ph.D. programs?
•A) 3.0B)3.2C)3.7D)4.0
•Whatistheminimum
competitiveGPA
whenapplyingtomaster’slevelmental
healthprofessions?
•A)2.5B)3.0C).3.5D)3.7

41. Changingtopicsto:
MONEY!
Butisn’tdoctoraleducation(Ph.D.)alongroad
(YES)andVERYexpensive?(NO)

42. Doesittakeyears?YES:~5
Butdidyouknow$$$$$$$….
IntheU.S.,doctoraleducationisgenerallyfully
fundedBYTHEUNIVERSITY:
StateuniversitiesprovideGENEROUSfinancial
packagesforPh.D.studentsinPsychology(or
othersciences,English,History,etc.)
SO:…
1.This=0tuition
You“become”in-statestudentanywhere
andthus…0.tuition

43. Anditkeepsgettingbetter!YouALSOget:
SalariedGraduateAssistantshipJOB:
20hour/weekGA-shipyearly$$
~>18k–35kperyear(variesbyU.)
4.Bottomline:Tuitionwaiversand
salaryover4-5years=~>$150,000.
WOW!

44. BUTBECAREFUL:DANGER
•Therearefor-profit
professionalschools
•Ph.D.inClinicalor
Counseling,Psychology
•M.D.,Pharmacy
•PhysicalTherapy
•Etc.

45. For-profitProfessionalschools
•Nameslike:Argosy,California
(statename)SchoolofProfessional
Psychology,Alliant,Midwestern,
GCU
•Howcanyouspotaprofessional(orforprofit)school?
•NOundergraduatestudents

46. For-profitProfessionalschools
•Whyavoidthese?Mainly:
•1)Verycostly(35k/year)(NO
financialaid)
•2.Problemsgettinginternship/
messesupyourabilitytograduate
withPh.D.
•3.Generallylowerqualitytraining

47. FinishingUp
Ifshortanswer:
•Listthe3typesofpsychologistswhoare
mentalhealthprofessionals?
•Whatarethefivementalhealth
professionalswithmaster’s degrees?
•Iffullessayquestion:
•Basedonlecture,therewere10factors
coveredregardingapplyingforgraduate
schooltobecompetitiveforaclinical
psychologyPh.D.Reviewall10with
detailandexamples.