ROBIN WILLIAMS Death from ADR article
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“The antidepressant found
in Williams' toxicology test,
Mirtazapine (Remeron), has
10 drug regulatory agency
warnings citing suicidal
ideation.”
Contrary to News Headlines, Robin
Williams Was on Drugs at the Time of
His Death—Antidepressant Drugs
By Kelly Patricia O’Meara
November 10, 2014
If news headlines were to be believed about the
autopsy findings of beloved actor/comedian
Robin Williams, who tragically committed
suicide nearly two months ago, no drugs were
found in his system at the time of his death, as
evidenced by headlines from USA Today, NBC
News, the BBC and others proclaiming “no
alcohol or drugs” were found. These headlines
couldn’t be more wrong.
The medical examiner’s report cites an
antidepressant drug was in Williams’ system at
the time of his death. The particular
antidepressant, Mirtazapine, (also known as
Remeron) carries 10 international drug
regulatory warnings on causing suicidal ideation.
According to the autopsy results, not only was Williams under the influence of antidepressant
drugs, but the powerful antipsychotic Seroquel was also found at the scene and appears to
have been recently taken by Williams. While toxicology tests apparently were negative for the
antipsychotic Seroquel, the fact remains that a bottle of Seroquel prescribed to Williams on
August 4, just seven days prior to Williams’ suicide, was missing 8 pills. The Seroquel
instructions advise to take one pill per day as needed. Side effects associated with Seroquel
include psychosis, paranoid reactions, delusions, depersonalization and suicide attempt.
The question that has to be asked is
why the press continues to promote
the idea that no drugs were found in
Williams’ system? At what point did
mind-altering psychiatric drugs, which
have side effects rivaling those of
heroin or crack cocaine, stop being
called drugs? And for those in the
press who did “mention” the fact that
Williams was found to have
antidepressants in his system, the
acknowledgement seems to promote
the fact that “therapeutic
concentrations” of prescription
psychiatric drugs “improved his
condition and kept him active until his
death.”
This is a highly misleading take on the
events leading to Williams tragic
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ARTICLES
“The antidepressant found
in Williams' toxicology test,
Mirtazapine (Remeron), has
10 drug regulatory agency
warnings citing suicidal
ideation.”
Contrary to News Headlines, Robin
Williams Was on Drugs at the Time of
His Death—Antidepressant Drugs
By Kelly Patricia O’Meara
November 10, 2014
If news headlines were to be believed about the
autopsy findings of beloved actor/comedian
Robin Williams, who tragically committed
suicide nearly two months ago, no drugs were
found in his system at the time of his death, as
evidenced by headlines from USA Today, NBC
News, the BBC and others proclaiming “no
alcohol or drugs” were found. These headlines
couldn’t be more wrong.
The medical examiner’s report cites an
antidepressant drug was in Williams’ system at
the time of his death. The particular
antidepressant, Mirtazapine, (also known as
Remeron) carries 10 international drug
regulatory warnings on causing suicidal ideation.
According to the autopsy results, not only was Williams under the influence of antidepressant
drugs, but the powerful antipsychotic Seroquel was also found at the scene and appears to
have been recently taken by Williams. While toxicology tests apparently were negative for the
antipsychotic Seroquel, the fact remains that a bottle of Seroquel prescribed to Williams on
August 4, just seven days prior to Williams’ suicide, was missing 8 pills. The Seroquel
instructions advise to take one pill per day as needed. Side effects associated with Seroquel
include psychosis, paranoid reactions, delusions, depersonalization and suicide attempt.
The question that has to be asked is
why the press continues to promote
the idea that no drugs were found in
Williams’ system? At what point did
mind-altering psychiatric drugs, which
have side effects rivaling those of
heroin or crack cocaine, stop being
called drugs? And for those in the
press who did “mention” the fact that
Williams was found to have
antidepressants in his system, the
acknowledgement seems to promote
the fact that “therapeutic
concentrations” of prescription
psychiatric drugs “improved his
condition and kept him active until his
death.”
This is a highly misleading take on the
events leading to Williams tragic
Search cchrint.org
th
suicide, especially in light of the fact that not only was Williams receiving mental health
“treatment,” he was under the supervision of a psychiatrist, was not abusing illegal drugs and
had not “fallen off the wagon.”
The facts regarding antidepressant drugs are these:
Food and Drug Administration’s Medwatch Adverse Drug Reports include 470,000
adverse reactions for psychiatric drugs between 2004-2012. The FDA admits only
1% of side effects are ever reported to them, so the actual number of reported side
effects is assuredly much higher.
Mirtazapine (also known as Remeron) carries the Food and Drug Administration’s
(FDA) “Black box” warning for suicidality.
There are ten warnings of suicide associated with Mirtazapine alone and suicide is
among the top 2 side effects reported to the FDA on this particular antidepressant
The FDA’s MedWatch drug adverse event reporting system recorded 411 attempted
and completed suicides associated with the antidepressant Mirtazapine alone (and
the FDA estimates only 1% of side effects are ever reported to them)
90,000 emergency room visits are attributed to psychiatric drugs each year in the
U.S.
23,755 suicides are attributed to psychiatric drugs each year in the U.S. alone.
In addition to suicidal ideation, documented side effects of antidepressants by
international drug regulatory agencies include hallucinations, delusions, worsening
depression, depersonalization, mania, psychosis, self-harm.
Give the above data, one can only wonder why Williams’ psychiatric drug use has effectively
been dismissed by reporting organizations. A careful review of Williams’ psychiatric “non-
drug” use paints a very different tragic story.
What was found in Williams’ system were prescription psychiatric drugs with side effects that
not only rival illegal street drugs, but also carry the FDA’s “Black box” warnings—the federal
agency’s most serious warnings—about increased thoughts of suicide.
The fact is that two of the drugs Williams had been prescribed list suicidal thoughts as
possible side effects. The Seroquel he was prescribed (and appears to have taken in the
week prior to his suicide), and the antidepressant that was still in his system at the time of his
suicide. Moreover, considering the FDA’s Medwatch drug adverse event reporting system
recorded 411 attempted and completed suicides associated with the antidepressant
Mirtazapine alone (and the FDA estimates only 1% of side effects are ever reported to them),
it becomes even more bizarre that the world’s press ignore even the possibility that these
drugs could be involved in Williams’ suicide.
The much-loved comedian’s death is a great loss, but the tragedy is further compounded by
the mainstream press glossing over the serious and well-known association between suicide
and the psychiatric drugs Williams was taking. If only the sentiments from one of Williams’
finest roles in Awakenings had been taken literally in his personal life: “The human spirit is
more powerful than any drug and that is what needs to be nourished: with work, play,
friendship, family. These are the things that matter.”
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“treatment,” he was under the supervision of a psychiatrist, was not abusing illegal drugs and
had not “fallen off the wagon.”
The facts regarding antidepressant drugs are these:
Food and Drug Administration’s Medwatch Adverse Drug Reports include 470,000
adverse reactions for psychiatric drugs between 2004-2012. The FDA admits only
1% of side effects are ever reported to them, so the actual number of reported side
effects is assuredly much higher.
Mirtazapine (also known as Remeron) carries the Food and Drug Administration’s
(FDA) “Black box” warning for suicidality.
There are ten warnings of suicide associated with Mirtazapine alone and suicide is
among the top 2 side effects reported to the FDA on this particular antidepressant
The FDA’s MedWatch drug adverse event reporting system recorded 411 attempted
and completed suicides associated with the antidepressant Mirtazapine alone (and
the FDA estimates only 1% of side effects are ever reported to them)
90,000 emergency room visits are attributed to psychiatric drugs each year in the
U.S.
23,755 suicides are attributed to psychiatric drugs each year in the U.S. alone.
In addition to suicidal ideation, documented side effects of antidepressants by
international drug regulatory agencies include hallucinations, delusions, worsening
depression, depersonalization, mania, psychosis, self-harm.
Give the above data, one can only wonder why Williams’ psychiatric drug use has effectively
been dismissed by reporting organizations. A careful review of Williams’ psychiatric “non-
drug” use paints a very different tragic story.
What was found in Williams’ system were prescription psychiatric drugs with side effects that
not only rival illegal street drugs, but also carry the FDA’s “Black box” warnings—the federal
agency’s most serious warnings—about increased thoughts of suicide.
The fact is that two of the drugs Williams had been prescribed list suicidal thoughts as
possible side effects. The Seroquel he was prescribed (and appears to have taken in the
week prior to his suicide), and the antidepressant that was still in his system at the time of his
suicide. Moreover, considering the FDA’s Medwatch drug adverse event reporting system
recorded 411 attempted and completed suicides associated with the antidepressant
Mirtazapine alone (and the FDA estimates only 1% of side effects are ever reported to them),
it becomes even more bizarre that the world’s press ignore even the possibility that these
drugs could be involved in Williams’ suicide.
The much-loved comedian’s death is a great loss, but the tragedy is further compounded by
the mainstream press glossing over the serious and well-known association between suicide
and the psychiatric drugs Williams was taking. If only the sentiments from one of Williams’
finest roles in Awakenings had been taken literally in his personal life: “The human spirit is
more powerful than any drug and that is what needs to be nourished: with work, play,
friendship, family. These are the things that matter.”
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Kelly Patricia O’Meara is an award-winning former investigative reporter for the Washington
Times’ Insight Magazine, penning dozens of articles exposing the fraud of psychiatric
diagnosis and the dangers of the psychiatric drugs—including her ground-breaking 1999
cover story, “Guns & Doses,” exposing the link between psychiatric drugs and acts of
senseless violence. She is also the author of the highly acclaimed book, Psyched Out: How
Psychiatry Sells Mental Illness and Pushes Pills that Kill. Prior to working as an investigative
journalist, O’Meara spent sixteen years on Capitol Hill as a congressional staffer to four
Members of Congress. She holds a B.S. in Political Science from the University of Maryland.
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Maja de Meyier · Top Commenter
Our brain can be stronger than the drug! Amazing!
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June Ribaldi · · Top Commenter · Volunteering at American
Red Cross of Orange County · 109 followers
TRUE. Question. Have you signed the CAILFORNIA. Petition yet.?? Stop
Drugging CAILFORNIA Foster Children Against there Will. Please. If you
have not yet done so READ please. Thank you Sister
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James Sharp · Works at Self-Employed
Sadly, this news is not surprising. If you are suffering from depression, I recommend
the http://destroydepression.com system.
Written by a former sufferer of depression, it teaches a simple 7-step process to
eliminate depression from your life.
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Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
I will check that out. I am always willing to look into anything that might
help. Thanks.
Reply · Like · · November 15, 2014 at 5:21am1
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
I checked it out. May work for the mildly depressed but for major, I can't
function depression, sorry, not going to work. IN MY OPINION and
experience.
Reply · Like · November 30, 2014 at 12:25am
Eric Michael Hoffmann · · Top Commenter · Adlai E.
Stevenson High School
Please do not listen to James Sharp esspecially if you are already on
medications, listen to your Dr. I have depression and making comments
like his is detrimental to the health of people with depression..I wish
someone like you would not post bullshit like this. Listen to your Dr.
people.
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Colin Swartz · Owner & CEO at Galactic Writing Solutions
The fact that he was taking Seroquel and then may have stopped also points to the
heavy withdrawal symptoms of antipsychotics. Then there's the adverse reactions of
mixing these chemicals, poly-substance use and abuse. Big Pharma forks over
billions for press, advertising, court settlements and fines. They have 99% of the
media on their payroll protecting their investments.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 10, 2014 at 5:03pm21
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
There was no mention in the article that he stopped taking the Seroquel.
Not that I remember. You also don't know how much he was taking. if he
was taking the lowest dose and stopped, there should be no problem
with withdrawal. I took Seroquel for several days, didn't like it, and
stopped taking it. Guess what? I'm still here. It is anyone's guess why he
committed suicide.
–
Kelly Patricia O’Meara is an award-winning former investigative reporter for the Washington
Times’ Insight Magazine, penning dozens of articles exposing the fraud of psychiatric
diagnosis and the dangers of the psychiatric drugs—including her ground-breaking 1999
cover story, “Guns & Doses,” exposing the link between psychiatric drugs and acts of
senseless violence. She is also the author of the highly acclaimed book, Psyched Out: How
Psychiatry Sells Mental Illness and Pushes Pills that Kill. Prior to working as an investigative
journalist, O’Meara spent sixteen years on Capitol Hill as a congressional staffer to four
Members of Congress. She holds a B.S. in Political Science from the University of Maryland.
Stay Informed! FREE subscription to CCHR's email newsletter:
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50,906 people like this. Be the first of your friends.Like
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Maja de Meyier · Top Commenter
Our brain can be stronger than the drug! Amazing!
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 10, 2014 at 3:38pm2
June Ribaldi · · Top Commenter · Volunteering at American
Red Cross of Orange County · 109 followers
TRUE. Question. Have you signed the CAILFORNIA. Petition yet.?? Stop
Drugging CAILFORNIA Foster Children Against there Will. Please. If you
have not yet done so READ please. Thank you Sister
Reply · Like · March 1 at 2:47pm
Follow
James Sharp · Works at Self-Employed
Sadly, this news is not surprising. If you are suffering from depression, I recommend
the http://destroydepression.com system.
Written by a former sufferer of depression, it teaches a simple 7-step process to
eliminate depression from your life.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 10, 2014 at 4:02pm
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Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
I will check that out. I am always willing to look into anything that might
help. Thanks.
Reply · Like · · November 15, 2014 at 5:21am1
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
I checked it out. May work for the mildly depressed but for major, I can't
function depression, sorry, not going to work. IN MY OPINION and
experience.
Reply · Like · November 30, 2014 at 12:25am
Eric Michael Hoffmann · · Top Commenter · Adlai E.
Stevenson High School
Please do not listen to James Sharp esspecially if you are already on
medications, listen to your Dr. I have depression and making comments
like his is detrimental to the health of people with depression..I wish
someone like you would not post bullshit like this. Listen to your Dr.
people.
Reply · Like · · February 26 at 12:04pm
Follow
3
Colin Swartz · Owner & CEO at Galactic Writing Solutions
The fact that he was taking Seroquel and then may have stopped also points to the
heavy withdrawal symptoms of antipsychotics. Then there's the adverse reactions of
mixing these chemicals, poly-substance use and abuse. Big Pharma forks over
billions for press, advertising, court settlements and fines. They have 99% of the
media on their payroll protecting their investments.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 10, 2014 at 5:03pm21
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
There was no mention in the article that he stopped taking the Seroquel.
Not that I remember. You also don't know how much he was taking. if he
was taking the lowest dose and stopped, there should be no problem
with withdrawal. I took Seroquel for several days, didn't like it, and
stopped taking it. Guess what? I'm still here. It is anyone's guess why he
committed suicide.
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committed suicide.
Reply · Like · · November 15, 2014 at 4:42am2
Dana J Pederis Jetton · · South Western Oregon
in the article it states the prescription bottle read - 'take as needed' they
prescribe Seroquel as a sleep aid at 25mg to anyone - if prescribed for
bipolar or schizophrenia the bottle would definitely not say take as
needed so he was only taking it as a sleep aid as Joe Blow on the street
would as well
Reply · Like · · November 15, 2014 at 1:46pm
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Ken Sylvester · Works at Hell Energy
Kathy Noel mam, with all due respect. all ive everheard of seroquel was it
was more of a street drug. people trying to sell it
Reply · Like · February 22 at 12:19am
Anne C Woodlen · State Univeristy of New York
I took antidepressants every day for 26 years. I now live with an indwelling catheter,
a night breathing machine, a hospital bed and a power wheelchair. All because I
followed doctors' orders and took antidepressants.
And, oh yeah, I attempted suicide a dozen times, including spending a month of life
support.
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Janet Kvasnak · · Works at Self-Employed
anne.. I am so sorry. I am on drug which exeeds the limits, plus other
ones. no wonder dr. and ther. cant fig out why I sleep 12 hrs. I cant
decreace it bec my body is adjusted to it.. plus I take gaba gaba in
addition to my meds. I will prob die with all this. when did you start
showing signs of all your devasting side effects? can you email me and
tell me drugs and dosages you were on for that per of time. do you know
how I can write a comment to Williams pg. [email protected]. do
you know other sites where I can learn real truth of these drugs?
Reply · Like · · November 10, 2014 at 7:33pm
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Francois Neveling · Co Owner at Medi-Shape
Janet Kvasnak please visit www.drugfreeworld.org and www.cchr.org
regards francois
Reply · Like · · November 11, 2014 at 4:01am14
Kathy Carlson · Top Commenter · University of Phoenix
Anne, I am so sorry for the hell you have been through. I have been on
Anti-Ds 26 years also. I took many but now am on Lexapro. I have
attempted suicide 4 times that caused long hospitalizations. My son
complained that I take too many pills (Thyroid, 2 blood pressure, Lipitor
Zolpedem and 2 anti-Ds.) THEY WERE PRESCRIBED TO ME! So to
please him I went from 300 MG down to 100 MG of Wellbutrin. First I got
angry at my granddaughter who I adore. Then an all-encompassing dark
and cold place kind of put me into a frantic pace to get something done. I
depersonalized to the point of refusing to talk to my kids or grandkids.
Then the day came to try to take all of my pills and hang myself (I know!)
I locked the doors in case my beloved grandsons came over after school.
What I didn't know was my son had given them copies, so they found me.
Thankfully I never got around to the hanging part but there was very little
life left in me. The hospital returned me to the living and sent me all by
myself to the mental hospital (my 4th stay). I told the half-assed
psychiatrist I wanted to get off of all psychotropic drugs. She got right in
my face and said, "No, you'll be on these pills the rest of your life." We
are going to have to find a way to get out of this death sentence put upon
us by greedy psychiatrists.
Reply · Like · · November 11, 2014 at 6:48pm11
Lorraine Phillips · Works at KTVA 11 News
The work of the DEVIL! Indeed
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Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
Ha, ha! So I guess we should just all pray our depression away? I have
tried that for many, many years. Nope. Still here. (Maybe I should try an
exorcism!)
Reply · Like · · November 15, 2014 at 5:21am2
Daniel Carter · · Top Commenter · Admin at End Psychiatry
Kathy - you have no idea
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Linda Kay Knutson Mulvey · · Cuesta College
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committed suicide.
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Dana J Pederis Jetton · · South Western Oregon
in the article it states the prescription bottle read - 'take as needed' they
prescribe Seroquel as a sleep aid at 25mg to anyone - if prescribed for
bipolar or schizophrenia the bottle would definitely not say take as
needed so he was only taking it as a sleep aid as Joe Blow on the street
would as well
Reply · Like · · November 15, 2014 at 1:46pm
Follow
1
Ken Sylvester · Works at Hell Energy
Kathy Noel mam, with all due respect. all ive everheard of seroquel was it
was more of a street drug. people trying to sell it
Reply · Like · February 22 at 12:19am
Anne C Woodlen · State Univeristy of New York
I took antidepressants every day for 26 years. I now live with an indwelling catheter,
a night breathing machine, a hospital bed and a power wheelchair. All because I
followed doctors' orders and took antidepressants.
And, oh yeah, I attempted suicide a dozen times, including spending a month of life
support.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 10, 2014 at 6:12pm
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Janet Kvasnak · · Works at Self-Employed
anne.. I am so sorry. I am on drug which exeeds the limits, plus other
ones. no wonder dr. and ther. cant fig out why I sleep 12 hrs. I cant
decreace it bec my body is adjusted to it.. plus I take gaba gaba in
addition to my meds. I will prob die with all this. when did you start
showing signs of all your devasting side effects? can you email me and
tell me drugs and dosages you were on for that per of time. do you know
how I can write a comment to Williams pg. [email protected]. do
you know other sites where I can learn real truth of these drugs?
Reply · Like · · November 10, 2014 at 7:33pm
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Francois Neveling · Co Owner at Medi-Shape
Janet Kvasnak please visit www.drugfreeworld.org and www.cchr.org
regards francois
Reply · Like · · November 11, 2014 at 4:01am14
Kathy Carlson · Top Commenter · University of Phoenix
Anne, I am so sorry for the hell you have been through. I have been on
Anti-Ds 26 years also. I took many but now am on Lexapro. I have
attempted suicide 4 times that caused long hospitalizations. My son
complained that I take too many pills (Thyroid, 2 blood pressure, Lipitor
Zolpedem and 2 anti-Ds.) THEY WERE PRESCRIBED TO ME! So to
please him I went from 300 MG down to 100 MG of Wellbutrin. First I got
angry at my granddaughter who I adore. Then an all-encompassing dark
and cold place kind of put me into a frantic pace to get something done. I
depersonalized to the point of refusing to talk to my kids or grandkids.
Then the day came to try to take all of my pills and hang myself (I know!)
I locked the doors in case my beloved grandsons came over after school.
What I didn't know was my son had given them copies, so they found me.
Thankfully I never got around to the hanging part but there was very little
life left in me. The hospital returned me to the living and sent me all by
myself to the mental hospital (my 4th stay). I told the half-assed
psychiatrist I wanted to get off of all psychotropic drugs. She got right in
my face and said, "No, you'll be on these pills the rest of your life." We
are going to have to find a way to get out of this death sentence put upon
us by greedy psychiatrists.
Reply · Like · · November 11, 2014 at 6:48pm11
Lorraine Phillips · Works at KTVA 11 News
The work of the DEVIL! Indeed
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 10, 2014 at 6:56pm2
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
Ha, ha! So I guess we should just all pray our depression away? I have
tried that for many, many years. Nope. Still here. (Maybe I should try an
exorcism!)
Reply · Like · · November 15, 2014 at 5:21am2
Daniel Carter · · Top Commenter · Admin at End Psychiatry
Kathy - you have no idea
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Linda Kay Knutson Mulvey · · Cuesta College
Where are your resources?
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Dana J Pederis Jetton · · South Western Oregon
I agree there is a huge problem with psychiatric drugs and how they are handed out
like candy however if the bottle stated take as needed on the seroquel it was 25
milligrams and it was taken as a sleep aid I find it hard to swallow when I feel that
seroquel saved my life I would surely have killed myself by now if I had not been put
on this medication I had tried everything else and nothing else works except for this
medication so you might not want to be so alarmist about seroquel I feel it also gave
me diabetes but I am glad to be alive I don't know what the answer is but I do know
that people shouldn't just stop taking medication because you're scaring them - I am
bipolar I cannot change that fact- I'm sure you feel like your an expert on the evils of
psychiatric medication however I'm an expert on what works for me
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Mats J Uldal · · Top Commenter · CEO & Founder at Mats J
Uldal International school of TFT. · 326 followers
I understand some of your points of view. Have you tried tapping
therapy?When people say they have tried everything they normally mean
every drug in the book. Tapping (TFT/EFT) vey often solves these
conditions, rapidly, and without any harm to the body.
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Kathy Carlson · Top Commenter · University of Phoenix
I did try. I don't know if my therapist had ever had enough training, but it
did not work. Thanks though.
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Dana J Pederis Jetton · · South Western Oregon
Tapping seems to be very effective for PTSD - I thank you I am open to
all kinds of therapies however I suffer from low chemical levels in my
brain I'm not sure how tapping would affect those levels- I suffer from
depression mostly not so much mania- it just upsets me that the author
seemed to be trying to blame his suicide on the medication which I find
unfair she was Not in his head she was not living his life or facing what
he was facing sometimes people get tired of fighting and sometimes the
voices in our sick minds tell us the world would be a much better place
without us in it and we would be doing our friends and family a favor by
no longer inflicting our selves upon them I understand suicide is a hot
topic and some people just don't understand how people could do that
too friends family children the problem is they don't understand that the
person contemplating suicide is convinced that everyone would be much
better off without that person in their lives. Because we love our children
and families that we would remove the horror that is us- true story
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Claudia Perez Silva · · Hollywood · 108 followers
I figured. It makes a lot of sense.
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Kristina Kersten Day
How sad! First off, regarding her resources, you can go to the FDA's website and
read their side effects for all drugs. Many include suicidal behavior warnings.
Secondly, no one should ever stop taking medication without the supervision of their
physician(s). Also, there are many different types of antidepressants, such as
tricyclic antidepressants, SSRI's (selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors), SNRI's
(serotonin and norepinephrine re-uptake inhibitors) and many antipsychotics. Every
drug affects an individual differently. Everyone has different diets and workout
regimens, different blood types and pH levels, genetic predispositions to conditions
and medications. Just because someone has had suicidal thoughts on the same
medicine but you haven't means nothing at all. You may have problems with a
medicine they tolerate just f... See More
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Kathy Carlson · Top Commenter · University of Phoenix
So, if I eat all of my broccoli, I won't obsess on ending my life? Before the
most recent warnings of so many pharmaceuticals that, "Can cause
suicidal thoughts or actions" they said, May cause suicidal thought or
actions in young adults or teens." I'm 64 and talked to an expert at the
FDA. He explained my age group isn't included in the testing because the
elderly are considered a "High Risk Group" for suicide anyhow and kids
before adolescence weren't tested because you don't see many suicides
in that age group. I screamed, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?" and he hung
up on me. My take away is, eat a healthy diet as often as you can, take
walks (I got a sweet little Malti-poo to walk with me and I haven't had one
bout of depression since she came into my life). If you have family,
friends or religion driving you to the brink, get away from them. It will be
hard but can save your life in the end. As for psychiatrists, keep switching
until you find one that is willing to help you get better w/o their friends
BIG PHARMA!
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Terry Thompson · Top Commenter · Nurse practitioner at Royal Stoke
University Hospital
I appreciate your comments BUT I am athletic, don't smoke or drink
alcohol and i STILL HAVE SEVERE DEPRESSION AND ANTI
DEPRESSSANTS HAVE SAVED MY LIFE. They aren't for everyone but
they have worked for me.
I agree there is a huge problem with psychiatric drugs and how they are handed out
like candy however if the bottle stated take as needed on the seroquel it was 25
milligrams and it was taken as a sleep aid I find it hard to swallow when I feel that
seroquel saved my life I would surely have killed myself by now if I had not been put
on this medication I had tried everything else and nothing else works except for this
medication so you might not want to be so alarmist about seroquel I feel it also gave
me diabetes but I am glad to be alive I don't know what the answer is but I do know
that people shouldn't just stop taking medication because you're scaring them - I am
bipolar I cannot change that fact- I'm sure you feel like your an expert on the evils of
psychiatric medication however I'm an expert on what works for me
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Mats J Uldal · · Top Commenter · CEO & Founder at Mats J
Uldal International school of TFT. · 326 followers
I understand some of your points of view. Have you tried tapping
therapy?When people say they have tried everything they normally mean
every drug in the book. Tapping (TFT/EFT) vey often solves these
conditions, rapidly, and without any harm to the body.
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Kathy Carlson · Top Commenter · University of Phoenix
I did try. I don't know if my therapist had ever had enough training, but it
did not work. Thanks though.
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Dana J Pederis Jetton · · South Western Oregon
Tapping seems to be very effective for PTSD - I thank you I am open to
all kinds of therapies however I suffer from low chemical levels in my
brain I'm not sure how tapping would affect those levels- I suffer from
depression mostly not so much mania- it just upsets me that the author
seemed to be trying to blame his suicide on the medication which I find
unfair she was Not in his head she was not living his life or facing what
he was facing sometimes people get tired of fighting and sometimes the
voices in our sick minds tell us the world would be a much better place
without us in it and we would be doing our friends and family a favor by
no longer inflicting our selves upon them I understand suicide is a hot
topic and some people just don't understand how people could do that
too friends family children the problem is they don't understand that the
person contemplating suicide is convinced that everyone would be much
better off without that person in their lives. Because we love our children
and families that we would remove the horror that is us- true story
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Claudia Perez Silva · · Hollywood · 108 followers
I figured. It makes a lot of sense.
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Kristina Kersten Day
How sad! First off, regarding her resources, you can go to the FDA's website and
read their side effects for all drugs. Many include suicidal behavior warnings.
Secondly, no one should ever stop taking medication without the supervision of their
physician(s). Also, there are many different types of antidepressants, such as
tricyclic antidepressants, SSRI's (selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors), SNRI's
(serotonin and norepinephrine re-uptake inhibitors) and many antipsychotics. Every
drug affects an individual differently. Everyone has different diets and workout
regimens, different blood types and pH levels, genetic predispositions to conditions
and medications. Just because someone has had suicidal thoughts on the same
medicine but you haven't means nothing at all. You may have problems with a
medicine they tolerate just f... See More
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Kathy Carlson · Top Commenter · University of Phoenix
So, if I eat all of my broccoli, I won't obsess on ending my life? Before the
most recent warnings of so many pharmaceuticals that, "Can cause
suicidal thoughts or actions" they said, May cause suicidal thought or
actions in young adults or teens." I'm 64 and talked to an expert at the
FDA. He explained my age group isn't included in the testing because the
elderly are considered a "High Risk Group" for suicide anyhow and kids
before adolescence weren't tested because you don't see many suicides
in that age group. I screamed, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?" and he hung
up on me. My take away is, eat a healthy diet as often as you can, take
walks (I got a sweet little Malti-poo to walk with me and I haven't had one
bout of depression since she came into my life). If you have family,
friends or religion driving you to the brink, get away from them. It will be
hard but can save your life in the end. As for psychiatrists, keep switching
until you find one that is willing to help you get better w/o their friends
BIG PHARMA!
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 12:00pm24
Terry Thompson · Top Commenter · Nurse practitioner at Royal Stoke
University Hospital
I appreciate your comments BUT I am athletic, don't smoke or drink
alcohol and i STILL HAVE SEVERE DEPRESSION AND ANTI
DEPRESSSANTS HAVE SAVED MY LIFE. They aren't for everyone but
they have worked for me.
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they have worked for me.
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 3:19pm63
Crissy Paz
Terry Thompson Hang on, you have depression but are taking
antidepressants? So why do you still have severe depression? How
ironic
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Eamonn Gosney · Port Headland
Hopefully Robin can learn about the dangers of psychiatric drugs in his next lifetime
(or if not that one, the one after that). 'Robin, if you're out there and the drugs have
worn off enough for you to hear this: You really need to visit the CCHR website.'
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 3:58pm1
Terry Thompson · Top Commenter · Nurse practitioner at Royal Stoke
University Hospital
So alcohol and street drugs are fine.
Reply · Like · November 12, 2014 at 3:26pm
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
Eamonn Gosney no he really doesn't need to visit that website. I doubt
he will have depression in his next lifetime as he already experienced it in
this one. That is a pretty cold statement you made to him.
Reply · Like · February 26 at 11:27pm
Lawrence Agee · Top Commenter
What ultimately killed him was his diagnosis of ""bipolar." The label is what leads to
the drugs. The drugs lead to the suicide.
If you walk into a psychiatrists office, you are risking your life. The most likely
scenario is once you walk in, you can never leave without a tag and an rx. A patient
for life.
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Daniel Montgomery · · Top Commenter · Studying Linguistics
at Freelance Writer/Editor
Yeah I''m 31 and now I've been a patient since age 3. Not sure how you
diagnosis a 3 year-old as bipolar (well ADHD then I believe), especially
since every 3 year-old acts like an out-of-control ADHD kid. My parents
were obviously idiots that ate up everything some slick talking psych
said.
Thanks mom and dad. This is why I don't mind cashing checks you write
for the guilt you should feel.... But more importantly, let's all sue the
American Psychiatric Association.
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Gwendolyn Hilary Wallace
Daniel Montgomery
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Gwendolyn Hilary Wallace
I am sorry you had 'idiots' all around you. I have to agree that 3 is way
too young to diagnosis anything metal. Pills to children are giving out way
too easy to calm the parents vs finding the reason for the 'parents' lack of
sense. I have gone thru several pills for anxiety. just a month ago I found
out what I thought was a sleep aid, turns out to be a narcotic that the
world of med. treats me as an addict. I am I suppose thanks to the dr.
who thru me enough to get me on them. Thru this I finally found out what
it was I was taking Lorazpam. Now almost a year of working to get me off
of the 1 mg I have prescribed 2 mg. "to see if this is why I am vibrating
inside when I wake daily. Well...I have backed myself off of 2mg by
cutting 1 in half and now 1 in the morning seems to keep my phobias
sleeping while I am awake, instead of taking at bedtime and..well enough
said. Take care thank goodness you are bright enough to know "Daniel"
even after so many years and started so young on meds you should, I
believe never have know about let alone were given.
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 12:38am6
Lois White · Top Commenter · Works at Retired
So glad the truth is out about which antidepressants Robin Williams had taken.
People need to know the truth and the dangerous side effects and how they lead to
suicide thoughts etc.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 4:11pm14
Kathy Carlson · Top Commenter · University of Phoenix
I just watched the Today Show's report and they did not mention any of
what you just said. They just talked about the associated mental
problems he'd possibly had. I am outraged! He took an anti D I have
never heard of and maybe Seroquel. Tell ALL the facts you cowards @
they have worked for me.
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 3:19pm63
Crissy Paz
Terry Thompson Hang on, you have depression but are taking
antidepressants? So why do you still have severe depression? How
ironic
Reply · Like · · Edited · November 12, 2014 at 8:06pm7
Eamonn Gosney · Port Headland
Hopefully Robin can learn about the dangers of psychiatric drugs in his next lifetime
(or if not that one, the one after that). 'Robin, if you're out there and the drugs have
worn off enough for you to hear this: You really need to visit the CCHR website.'
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 3:58pm1
Terry Thompson · Top Commenter · Nurse practitioner at Royal Stoke
University Hospital
So alcohol and street drugs are fine.
Reply · Like · November 12, 2014 at 3:26pm
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
Eamonn Gosney no he really doesn't need to visit that website. I doubt
he will have depression in his next lifetime as he already experienced it in
this one. That is a pretty cold statement you made to him.
Reply · Like · February 26 at 11:27pm
Lawrence Agee · Top Commenter
What ultimately killed him was his diagnosis of ""bipolar." The label is what leads to
the drugs. The drugs lead to the suicide.
If you walk into a psychiatrists office, you are risking your life. The most likely
scenario is once you walk in, you can never leave without a tag and an rx. A patient
for life.
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Daniel Montgomery · · Top Commenter · Studying Linguistics
at Freelance Writer/Editor
Yeah I''m 31 and now I've been a patient since age 3. Not sure how you
diagnosis a 3 year-old as bipolar (well ADHD then I believe), especially
since every 3 year-old acts like an out-of-control ADHD kid. My parents
were obviously idiots that ate up everything some slick talking psych
said.
Thanks mom and dad. This is why I don't mind cashing checks you write
for the guilt you should feel.... But more importantly, let's all sue the
American Psychiatric Association.
Reply · Like · · November 11, 2014 at 10:24pm
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Gwendolyn Hilary Wallace
Daniel Montgomery
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 12:29am2
Gwendolyn Hilary Wallace
I am sorry you had 'idiots' all around you. I have to agree that 3 is way
too young to diagnosis anything metal. Pills to children are giving out way
too easy to calm the parents vs finding the reason for the 'parents' lack of
sense. I have gone thru several pills for anxiety. just a month ago I found
out what I thought was a sleep aid, turns out to be a narcotic that the
world of med. treats me as an addict. I am I suppose thanks to the dr.
who thru me enough to get me on them. Thru this I finally found out what
it was I was taking Lorazpam. Now almost a year of working to get me off
of the 1 mg I have prescribed 2 mg. "to see if this is why I am vibrating
inside when I wake daily. Well...I have backed myself off of 2mg by
cutting 1 in half and now 1 in the morning seems to keep my phobias
sleeping while I am awake, instead of taking at bedtime and..well enough
said. Take care thank goodness you are bright enough to know "Daniel"
even after so many years and started so young on meds you should, I
believe never have know about let alone were given.
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 12:38am6
Lois White · Top Commenter · Works at Retired
So glad the truth is out about which antidepressants Robin Williams had taken.
People need to know the truth and the dangerous side effects and how they lead to
suicide thoughts etc.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 4:11pm14
Kathy Carlson · Top Commenter · University of Phoenix
I just watched the Today Show's report and they did not mention any of
what you just said. They just talked about the associated mental
problems he'd possibly had. I am outraged! He took an anti D I have
never heard of and maybe Seroquel. Tell ALL the facts you cowards @
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never heard of and maybe Seroquel. Tell ALL the facts you cowards @
THE TODAY SHOW!
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 12:14pm7
Jason Triad
Maeve Murphy Not many on this page want to know
Those pills and their doctors are brainwashing them
Reply · Like · November 15, 2014 at 3:16am
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
I have taken Remeron many times. It helps me at low dosages, but has
too many annoying side effects at higher dosages such as sexual
problems and weight gain. It also gives me terrible restless legs
syndrome. Never, ever caused suicidal ideation. Different strokes for
different folks. If it doesn't work for you or causes suicidal ideation, TALK
TO YOUR DOCTOR. And stop lumping everybody into the same
category.
Reply · Like · November 15, 2014 at 4:59am
Marv Brilliant · Forest Park High School
The fact that the truth was suppressed, is because of the ignorance of the mass
media. The media was possibly contacted by a majority of drug companies and
psychiatrists who explained to the news organizations that if the truth leaks out about
the bogus facts regarding mental health and anti-psychotics, there would commence
a large outcry from the public.
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Don Elliot · Full Audio & Video Studio Services, ADR at SpotsNow.com
Exactly how does anyone contact everyone in the "media"… That would
be tens of thousands of phone calls
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 3:09pm7
Anne C Woodlen · State Univeristy of New York
Marv, your thinking is illogical and paranoid, not to mention ridiculous.
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 4:15pm7
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
Marv BRILLANT You are anything but BRILLANT. In fact, you sound
down right ignorant.
Reply · Like · · November 15, 2014 at 4:54am1
Pat Haas · St Catherine's Catholic High School
So what's the point???
Reply · Like · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 7:13pm
Jeanne Marie · I just chill out at my house at Disabled and Retired
I believe that self knowledge and education about ones OWN condition is best
before giving dangerous drugs to the illness. If someone has cancer would they take
drugs that CAUSE cancer? In all your years of ""treatment"" have you ever been
taught anything about your illness and the warning signs of getting close to a manic
episode?
They never told me shit...just gave me drugs and I got worse...I did not even know
my diagnosis...when I finally got the knowledge I educated myself about
myself...and...BINGO....I got ME under control...I do take very low dose prozac...and
I meditate...and keep a journal about my feelings and I can maintain. I know many
who are traveling thru the med revolving door ...being on this or that one month and
something else later. My body makes it own poison in my head...DAMNED if I will
add another.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 9:15pm7
Kathy Carlson · Top Commenter · University of Phoenix
I think if those money hungry psychiatrists prescribe psychotropic drugs
they ought to be forced to follow up daily when you start them or if a new
one is tried or added. Then after a time, weekly then an office visit
monthly where they actually talk with you. I have not had one good
experience with a psychiatrist!
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 12:21pm8
Anne C Woodlen · State Univeristy of New York
Kathy, your first problem is that you expect them to be human.
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 4:16pm3
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
Jeanne Marie, You took drugs and had no idea why? Didn't even know
your diagnosis? Were you in a coma when they started giving you the
drugs? Kathy Carlson, when I am started on a new drug, my doctor
always tells me to call him if I have any problem Requiring them to follow
up on each patient daily is just ignorant. And Anne C Woodlen, yes, a lot
of them are human. I tell my doctor I am going to try alternatives and he
will tell me whether or not there is research on it, indicating good or not
never heard of and maybe Seroquel. Tell ALL the facts you cowards @
THE TODAY SHOW!
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 12:14pm7
Jason Triad
Maeve Murphy Not many on this page want to know
Those pills and their doctors are brainwashing them
Reply · Like · November 15, 2014 at 3:16am
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
I have taken Remeron many times. It helps me at low dosages, but has
too many annoying side effects at higher dosages such as sexual
problems and weight gain. It also gives me terrible restless legs
syndrome. Never, ever caused suicidal ideation. Different strokes for
different folks. If it doesn't work for you or causes suicidal ideation, TALK
TO YOUR DOCTOR. And stop lumping everybody into the same
category.
Reply · Like · November 15, 2014 at 4:59am
Marv Brilliant · Forest Park High School
The fact that the truth was suppressed, is because of the ignorance of the mass
media. The media was possibly contacted by a majority of drug companies and
psychiatrists who explained to the news organizations that if the truth leaks out about
the bogus facts regarding mental health and anti-psychotics, there would commence
a large outcry from the public.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 5:05pm
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Don Elliot · Full Audio & Video Studio Services, ADR at SpotsNow.com
Exactly how does anyone contact everyone in the "media"… That would
be tens of thousands of phone calls
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 3:09pm7
Anne C Woodlen · State Univeristy of New York
Marv, your thinking is illogical and paranoid, not to mention ridiculous.
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 4:15pm7
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
Marv BRILLANT You are anything but BRILLANT. In fact, you sound
down right ignorant.
Reply · Like · · November 15, 2014 at 4:54am1
Pat Haas · St Catherine's Catholic High School
So what's the point???
Reply · Like · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 7:13pm
Jeanne Marie · I just chill out at my house at Disabled and Retired
I believe that self knowledge and education about ones OWN condition is best
before giving dangerous drugs to the illness. If someone has cancer would they take
drugs that CAUSE cancer? In all your years of ""treatment"" have you ever been
taught anything about your illness and the warning signs of getting close to a manic
episode?
They never told me shit...just gave me drugs and I got worse...I did not even know
my diagnosis...when I finally got the knowledge I educated myself about
myself...and...BINGO....I got ME under control...I do take very low dose prozac...and
I meditate...and keep a journal about my feelings and I can maintain. I know many
who are traveling thru the med revolving door ...being on this or that one month and
something else later. My body makes it own poison in my head...DAMNED if I will
add another.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 9:15pm7
Kathy Carlson · Top Commenter · University of Phoenix
I think if those money hungry psychiatrists prescribe psychotropic drugs
they ought to be forced to follow up daily when you start them or if a new
one is tried or added. Then after a time, weekly then an office visit
monthly where they actually talk with you. I have not had one good
experience with a psychiatrist!
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 12:21pm8
Anne C Woodlen · State Univeristy of New York
Kathy, your first problem is that you expect them to be human.
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 4:16pm3
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
Jeanne Marie, You took drugs and had no idea why? Didn't even know
your diagnosis? Were you in a coma when they started giving you the
drugs? Kathy Carlson, when I am started on a new drug, my doctor
always tells me to call him if I have any problem Requiring them to follow
up on each patient daily is just ignorant. And Anne C Woodlen, yes, a lot
of them are human. I tell my doctor I am going to try alternatives and he
will tell me whether or not there is research on it, indicating good or not
will tell me whether or not there is research on it, indicating good or not
good, but if I want to try it, go for it, as long as it won't hurt me or interact
negatively with the meds. He is well versed in many of the alternatives
that have/are being tried and he is open minded to anything that might
help me.
Reply · Like · · November 15, 2014 at 5:12am2
Joe Turek · Top Commenter
He was just another unhappy clown.
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Daniel Montgomery · · Top Commenter · Studying Linguistics at
Freelance Writer/Editor
I'm bipolar, have Asperger's, and a brain tumor and take a few drugs (they are
drugs). Calling them medications is a soft-term. Anyway, over the course of my
lifetime career as a patient, I've found that I would be suicidal with or without them.
The best course of action, if you are losing your mind and need to calm down is to
get some booze to be like "eh whatever" and then smoke weed. You'll think twice
about killing yourself while analyzing life really stoned. No one has ever committed
suicide because they smoked weed. I'm willing to bet my dick and balls that is true, if
it could be proven.
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Bec El · Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Cannabis has saved my life, I'm sure of it. It's the only reason I stopped
self-harming, and it helps me manage my day-to-day depression too. I
wouldn't advise the booze for a suicidal person but a bit of weed can go a
long way!
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 6:36am23
Daniel Montgomery · · Top Commenter · Studying Linguistics
at Freelance Writer/Editor
Bec El Well I don't get smashed. I just drink a few beers to get a
relaxation buzz that calms anxiety and helps me sleep. My doctor isn't
thrilled I do it, but says it's not going to kill me, but it will cause some liver
damage mixed with my drugs, all of which overwork the liver and can
cause liver disease in the first place. It's something I cut way back on. As
for the weed, I can't exactly get ahold of it all the time. I usually just have
a chance to smoke it with friends on the weekend to have a day of
relaxation. If I do happen to get some, it's not often, even though I can
get it at cost from friends.
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Daniel Montgomery · · Top Commenter · Studying Linguistics
at Freelance Writer/Editor
I really wish I could find an indica strain instead of sativa. Sativa kind of
makes me paranoid for 15- 20 minutes (coming up), whereas indica is
straight relaxation immediately. It's kind of that buzz you get from resin.
Reply · Like · · November 14, 2014 at 2:32pm
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Burdett MacLean · New Horizons Oregon
i'm all for transparency and freedom of information and all that good stuff, but your
article focuses less on the distribution of all potentially related information, and more
about drawing firm causal-relationships based on correlations: "Person A was
depressed. Person A took antidepressants. Person A committed suicide." Those are
facts. But "Person A committed suicide as a result of taking antidepressants" is not
fully and exclusively supported by the original facts. That's like arguing that this here
rock keeps tigers away. OBVIOUSLY there's a correlation between suicides and
taking antidepressants, because non-depressed people don't take antidepressants
nearly as often ...
i've been taking antidepressants for years now, and while it's definitely an on-going
challenge to identify which one(s) may or may not be having a positive impact on my
mood, and which side effects are manageable or not, i can say with confidence that
my quality of life is greater now than it was before i was medicated.
so instead of conclusively demonizing all medications for all people outright, maybe
just stick with "here are some additional facts that aren't as well publicized, but find
out what works for you personally," what with all bodies and minds being different
and all ...
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 10:31pm189
Terry Thompson · Top Commenter · Nurse practitioner at Royal Stoke
University Hospital
Well said Burdett. Look at the side effects of any prescription drug and
they all are potentially toxic and can cause mild to severe side effects.
Acetaminophen is one of the most toxic medications out there and it is
OTC. Antidepressants have been a great help to me and I could not
really function without them.
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 3:15pm60
Crissy Paz
Terry Thompson How many actually say they have not been tested on
suicidal patients? Not many I can bet.
How many other meds say 'worsening of symptoms', in this case
good, but if I want to try it, go for it, as long as it won't hurt me or interact
negatively with the meds. He is well versed in many of the alternatives
that have/are being tried and he is open minded to anything that might
help me.
Reply · Like · · November 15, 2014 at 5:12am2
Joe Turek · Top Commenter
He was just another unhappy clown.
Reply · Like · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 10:20pm
Daniel Montgomery · · Top Commenter · Studying Linguistics at
Freelance Writer/Editor
I'm bipolar, have Asperger's, and a brain tumor and take a few drugs (they are
drugs). Calling them medications is a soft-term. Anyway, over the course of my
lifetime career as a patient, I've found that I would be suicidal with or without them.
The best course of action, if you are losing your mind and need to calm down is to
get some booze to be like "eh whatever" and then smoke weed. You'll think twice
about killing yourself while analyzing life really stoned. No one has ever committed
suicide because they smoked weed. I'm willing to bet my dick and balls that is true, if
it could be proven.
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Bec El · Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Cannabis has saved my life, I'm sure of it. It's the only reason I stopped
self-harming, and it helps me manage my day-to-day depression too. I
wouldn't advise the booze for a suicidal person but a bit of weed can go a
long way!
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 6:36am23
Daniel Montgomery · · Top Commenter · Studying Linguistics
at Freelance Writer/Editor
Bec El Well I don't get smashed. I just drink a few beers to get a
relaxation buzz that calms anxiety and helps me sleep. My doctor isn't
thrilled I do it, but says it's not going to kill me, but it will cause some liver
damage mixed with my drugs, all of which overwork the liver and can
cause liver disease in the first place. It's something I cut way back on. As
for the weed, I can't exactly get ahold of it all the time. I usually just have
a chance to smoke it with friends on the weekend to have a day of
relaxation. If I do happen to get some, it's not often, even though I can
get it at cost from friends.
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Daniel Montgomery · · Top Commenter · Studying Linguistics
at Freelance Writer/Editor
I really wish I could find an indica strain instead of sativa. Sativa kind of
makes me paranoid for 15- 20 minutes (coming up), whereas indica is
straight relaxation immediately. It's kind of that buzz you get from resin.
Reply · Like · · November 14, 2014 at 2:32pm
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Burdett MacLean · New Horizons Oregon
i'm all for transparency and freedom of information and all that good stuff, but your
article focuses less on the distribution of all potentially related information, and more
about drawing firm causal-relationships based on correlations: "Person A was
depressed. Person A took antidepressants. Person A committed suicide." Those are
facts. But "Person A committed suicide as a result of taking antidepressants" is not
fully and exclusively supported by the original facts. That's like arguing that this here
rock keeps tigers away. OBVIOUSLY there's a correlation between suicides and
taking antidepressants, because non-depressed people don't take antidepressants
nearly as often ...
i've been taking antidepressants for years now, and while it's definitely an on-going
challenge to identify which one(s) may or may not be having a positive impact on my
mood, and which side effects are manageable or not, i can say with confidence that
my quality of life is greater now than it was before i was medicated.
so instead of conclusively demonizing all medications for all people outright, maybe
just stick with "here are some additional facts that aren't as well publicized, but find
out what works for you personally," what with all bodies and minds being different
and all ...
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 10:31pm189
Terry Thompson · Top Commenter · Nurse practitioner at Royal Stoke
University Hospital
Well said Burdett. Look at the side effects of any prescription drug and
they all are potentially toxic and can cause mild to severe side effects.
Acetaminophen is one of the most toxic medications out there and it is
OTC. Antidepressants have been a great help to me and I could not
really function without them.
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 3:15pm60
Crissy Paz
Terry Thompson How many actually say they have not been tested on
suicidal patients? Not many I can bet.
How many other meds say 'worsening of symptoms', in this case
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How many other meds say 'worsening of symptoms', in this case
antidepressants with the insert that come with it, stating that there is
'worsening of depression' or 'may cause anxiety, suicidal thoughts,
agitation, sleep difficulties, nightmares and tremors'? Which meds also
state "abnormal thinking"?
I'm guessing you are taking antidepressants for depression yeah? So
would you know if your suicidal thoughts (if you had any) are "just part of
your depression" or a side effect from the meds? Would you consider
agitation and anxiety part of your depression? But hang on, you are on
meds, should you even be having anything but "sunshine and butterflies"
thoughts and feelings? They don't work, you think they do. Those aroun...
See More
Reply · Like · · Edited · November 12, 2014 at 8:05pm34
Terry Thompson · Top Commenter · Nurse practitioner at Royal Stoke
University Hospital
I wish they brought sunshine, Do you take antidepressants? Do you
really think that's what antidepressants do and why are prescribed? If I
want sunshine I'll shoot heroin.Your comments are very insensitive. All
drugs have side effects. Other drugs besides antidepressants can be
psycho active. I have anxiety and low mood as part of my depression or
obviously I wouldn't be taking the meds. So your point is no one should
take medication that helps them because you have a prejudice against
them. All those side effects you listed can take place with many other
drugs. So what. I didn't go on the meds to have sunshine thoughts. I went
on the meds because I had symptoms of depression. The meds helped
this and I have had no side effects. Read the side effects of
acetaminophen. Liver failure is the big one and is the drug of choice for
people making suicide attempts and gestures.And all you need for liver
failure is one extra does a day for a week. Many people do that
unintentionally. By the way. If a doctor puts an actively suicidal pt on an
antidepressant he is an idiot. A GP should not be prescribing these
medications.
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 8:53am51
Judy Donoho · Secretary/Clerk at Calvary Free Will Baptist Church - Salem
Antidepressants should be banned - all of them. Nursing Home doctors are
prescribing them for patients (my husband was one of them) and he would call me
crying and saying he felt horrible and it was always after he took the antidepressant.
I stopped that medication immediately for him and he was fine thereafter. What if a
nursing home resident has no family that cares? I believe Mr. Williams had terrible
side effects from antidepressants and I feel so sorry for his suffering.
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Terry Thompson · Top Commenter · Nurse practitioner at Royal Stoke
University Hospital
So if I told you that antidepressants have worked for me and have helped
me not to commit suicide I shouldn't have access to them because they
have caused side effects in a small percentage of people who have used
them. Some people die during coronary artery bypass surgery so we
should stop doing the surgery even though it helps more people than it
harms. Your logic is flawed.
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 3:24pm40
Anne C Woodlen · State Univeristy of New York
Terry Thompson , it's your choice, but it needs to be informed by a lot of
facts that your doctor and your drug company won't tell you.
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 4:18pm5
Kelly McCarty · · Top Commenter · Works at Homecare
Worker · 108 followers
Well said Terry Thompson. They work for me as well.
Reply · Like · · November 14, 2014 at 2:25pm
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Lauren Seyyal Farrow · Top Commenter
WRONG!!!! I've been on antidepressants for over 15 years; and was on Remeron at
one point (as well as Xanax, Effexor, Lexapro, Wellbutrin, Paxil, Celexa... I can't
remember them all. This is a LOT more complex than "he took that pill and it caused
him to commit suicide!" Geesh, people: join us in the 21st Century.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 11:19pm47
Jennifer Rapuano Christensen · University of Rhode Island
I think the point is-- that there are people who are wrongly put on these
drugs under quick decisions by their doctors... without having a true
imbalance or need for them-- when this happens it TOTALLY whacks out
the chemicals in their brains and can lead to suicidal thoughts or urges--
THIS IS WHERE there is a huge fail on the part of medical
professionals..
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 3:27pm21
Lauren Seyyal Farrow · Top Commenter
Pretty much every anti-depressant has suicidal ideation as a possible
side effect. Just like every anticonvulsant I gave my son when he was
young had death as a possible side effect. I'm sure he had access to
How many other meds say 'worsening of symptoms', in this case
antidepressants with the insert that come with it, stating that there is
'worsening of depression' or 'may cause anxiety, suicidal thoughts,
agitation, sleep difficulties, nightmares and tremors'? Which meds also
state "abnormal thinking"?
I'm guessing you are taking antidepressants for depression yeah? So
would you know if your suicidal thoughts (if you had any) are "just part of
your depression" or a side effect from the meds? Would you consider
agitation and anxiety part of your depression? But hang on, you are on
meds, should you even be having anything but "sunshine and butterflies"
thoughts and feelings? They don't work, you think they do. Those aroun...
See More
Reply · Like · · Edited · November 12, 2014 at 8:05pm34
Terry Thompson · Top Commenter · Nurse practitioner at Royal Stoke
University Hospital
I wish they brought sunshine, Do you take antidepressants? Do you
really think that's what antidepressants do and why are prescribed? If I
want sunshine I'll shoot heroin.Your comments are very insensitive. All
drugs have side effects. Other drugs besides antidepressants can be
psycho active. I have anxiety and low mood as part of my depression or
obviously I wouldn't be taking the meds. So your point is no one should
take medication that helps them because you have a prejudice against
them. All those side effects you listed can take place with many other
drugs. So what. I didn't go on the meds to have sunshine thoughts. I went
on the meds because I had symptoms of depression. The meds helped
this and I have had no side effects. Read the side effects of
acetaminophen. Liver failure is the big one and is the drug of choice for
people making suicide attempts and gestures.And all you need for liver
failure is one extra does a day for a week. Many people do that
unintentionally. By the way. If a doctor puts an actively suicidal pt on an
antidepressant he is an idiot. A GP should not be prescribing these
medications.
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 8:53am51
Judy Donoho · Secretary/Clerk at Calvary Free Will Baptist Church - Salem
Antidepressants should be banned - all of them. Nursing Home doctors are
prescribing them for patients (my husband was one of them) and he would call me
crying and saying he felt horrible and it was always after he took the antidepressant.
I stopped that medication immediately for him and he was fine thereafter. What if a
nursing home resident has no family that cares? I believe Mr. Williams had terrible
side effects from antidepressants and I feel so sorry for his suffering.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 11:01pm
View 6 more
16
Terry Thompson · Top Commenter · Nurse practitioner at Royal Stoke
University Hospital
So if I told you that antidepressants have worked for me and have helped
me not to commit suicide I shouldn't have access to them because they
have caused side effects in a small percentage of people who have used
them. Some people die during coronary artery bypass surgery so we
should stop doing the surgery even though it helps more people than it
harms. Your logic is flawed.
Reply · Like · · November 12, 2014 at 3:24pm40
Anne C Woodlen · State Univeristy of New York
Terry Thompson , it's your choice, but it needs to be informed by a lot of
facts that your doctor and your drug company won't tell you.
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 4:18pm5
Kelly McCarty · · Top Commenter · Works at Homecare
Worker · 108 followers
Well said Terry Thompson. They work for me as well.
Reply · Like · · November 14, 2014 at 2:25pm
Follow
6
Lauren Seyyal Farrow · Top Commenter
WRONG!!!! I've been on antidepressants for over 15 years; and was on Remeron at
one point (as well as Xanax, Effexor, Lexapro, Wellbutrin, Paxil, Celexa... I can't
remember them all. This is a LOT more complex than "he took that pill and it caused
him to commit suicide!" Geesh, people: join us in the 21st Century.
Reply · Like · · Follow Post · November 11, 2014 at 11:19pm47
Jennifer Rapuano Christensen · University of Rhode Island
I think the point is-- that there are people who are wrongly put on these
drugs under quick decisions by their doctors... without having a true
imbalance or need for them-- when this happens it TOTALLY whacks out
the chemicals in their brains and can lead to suicidal thoughts or urges--
THIS IS WHERE there is a huge fail on the part of medical
professionals..
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 3:27pm21
Lauren Seyyal Farrow · Top Commenter
Pretty much every anti-depressant has suicidal ideation as a possible
side effect. Just like every anticonvulsant I gave my son when he was
young had death as a possible side effect. I'm sure he had access to
young had death as a possible side effect. I'm sure he had access to
some of the best doctors out there. The problem is not the pill; it is the
stigma that is still attached to mental illness in this country.
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 6:57pm34
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
Jennifer Rapuano Christensen If my doctor, any type of doctor, told me to
take a drug and I did not think I needed it, I would not take it. For
example, i had surgery recently and was given a whole container full of
pain pills. I took one. I didn't have any more pain, so I didn't take
anymore. Likewise, i have been give medicine for digestive issues. I
either didn't feel it helped or I just didn't want to take it, so I didn't. Found
alternatives and the issues went away. We do need to take some
responsibility for our own health care. If my doctor wants to put me on an
antidepressant and I don't want to go on that particular med for some
reason, we find something else. Your doctor works for you, you don't
work for them. If you believe your treatment is not appropriate SPEAK
UP and if your doctor won't listen SEE ANOTHER DOCTOR.
some of the best doctors out there. The problem is not the pill; it is the
stigma that is still attached to mental illness in this country.
Reply · Like · · November 13, 2014 at 6:57pm34
Kathy Noel · Top Commenter
Jennifer Rapuano Christensen If my doctor, any type of doctor, told me to
take a drug and I did not think I needed it, I would not take it. For
example, i had surgery recently and was given a whole container full of
pain pills. I took one. I didn't have any more pain, so I didn't take
anymore. Likewise, i have been give medicine for digestive issues. I
either didn't feel it helped or I just didn't want to take it, so I didn't. Found
alternatives and the issues went away. We do need to take some
responsibility for our own health care. If my doctor wants to put me on an
antidepressant and I don't want to go on that particular med for some
reason, we find something else. Your doctor works for you, you don't
work for them. If you believe your treatment is not appropriate SPEAK
UP and if your doctor won't listen SEE ANOTHER DOCTOR.
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